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look at -- look at a spiritual side of what can do in my life and choose that, and i chose that, which was god, and therefore i chose life. i don't think, you know i think he was a vessel, you know. so i owe god my life through him but i do not owe any man my life. >> a feisty and emotional mary j. blige tomorrow night. 'all for us tonight. ac 360 starts now. >> thanks. 10:00 on the east coast. good evening, everyone. we begin tonight keeping them honest with newt gingrich downplaying his past which includes the distinction of being the first house speaker in history to be reprimanded for ethics violations. first the polls, and they are striking. a cbs news oh "new york times" poll out today shows gingrich leading mitt romney in iowa by 14 points with ron paul close behind. in south carolina which often ends up winnowing out the less
conservative candidates gingrich is up 16 points in a new poll from winthrop university. gingrich is gaining ground on romney in new hampshire, which is romney's home turf. bubbling back into the present, former speaker nancy pelosi is threatening to dredge it up. gingrich reporters say getting information from the house ethics investigation would be at the least unethical. congresswoman pelosi says she's only talking about what's already on the record. you can decide whether it matters. cnn's jim acosta asked the candidate about it yesterday in new york. >> we turned over a million pages of material. we had a huge report. the total 83 charges were repudiated as false. the one mistake we made was a letter written by a lawyer that i didn't read carefully. >> keeping them honest. mr. gingrich isn't telling the whole story about the house investigation back then. it's complicated but in a nutshell they wanted to know if
gingrich used money from tax exempt organizations to fund college courses that he taught and used, by his own admission, to further his political agenda. here's the time line, shortly after the rival filed the complaint, gingrich hired a washington lawyer who wrote two letters dates 8, 1994 and march 27, 1995 to the ethics committee. according to committee documents gingrich signed the first letter and approved the second. both contained statements that were false. it is late as october of 1996 gingrich was telling the committee they were accurate, but on january 17th of 1997 under tough questioning by special counsel james cole, speaker gingrich acknowledges the falsehood. as cole described it it was like pulling teeth. quote, it was not that he just walked in and recognized everything was inaccurate and explained it right off the bat. by then ethics committee chairman, porter goss, had already said that gingrich failed to seek and follow legal advice that would have told him he was improperly using tax exempt organizations for political aims. and the document included the admission from the speaker, quote, i, newt gingrich, admit to the
statement of alleged violations dated december 21. speaker gingrich put out a statement of his own, quote, in my name and over my signature, inaccurate, incomplete and unreliable statements were given to the ethics committee, but i did not intend to mislead. the statement went on to say, i did not seek personal gain, but my actions did not reflect credibility on the house of representatives. what sounds now in his answer to jim acosta like a simple oversight was by his own admission back then a bit more. you can determine for yourself whether it matters. special counsel cole concluded that gingrich had violated tax law and lied to the committee. but the panel couldn't agree on the tax part, turned it over to irs, which later sided with gingrich. the committee set. ed and said on the guilt, which i read, a reprimand and the $300,000 bill. raw politics now. obama 2012 pollster cornell belcher, also gop strategist mary matalin and redstate.com editor in chief erick erickson.
cornell, how much do you think the reemergence of these ethics violations could damage gingrich's campaign? >> you know at this point i really don't think it's going to mat that much because when you look at the republican primary of voters they're looking for someone who can be the authentic conservative and the opposition to mitt romney. they seem to be coalescing. when cain left the race all those voters seem to be coalescing around newt gingrich right now. they're looking for a conservative voice that they can all rally around. i really don't think this is going to matter so much in the primary right now. i think it will matter if he's the nominee in the general election with independent voters. but with the hard core voters i really just think they're looking for the most conservative authentic person they can vote for right now. >> erick, you agree with that? >> by and large, i do. this may come up if republicans are scared this might come up in the general election, they might wave a red flag and say we shouldn't go with him. more than a decade ago the irs
dismissed the tax charge, sided with gingrich. people will focus on his record more than what happened a decade or so ago with this. >> you say he should just release the ethics records himself, if for no other reason for transparency sake. >> if he gets into the general election, the democrats are going to dog him on this and continue to badger him with it and on and on, trying to keep the media raising questions about it. the easiest thing for him to do is go make a full disclosure, be very transparent about it and say, this was ten years ago. i don't think even in the general election if he did that, voters would say, lord, this is more than ten years ago, why does it matter now? >> mary, you've known gingrich for decades. do you think he really can be the republican nominee? >> yes, i do. everyone is all crazed about these tap line polls in first four states but they're deeper than that. erick knows this and so does cornell from being on the ground.
these tap lines are nothing compared to what's underneath him. he is pulling way far ahead of everybody else in the number one issue, which voters care about not just primary voters but independents and general electorate which is leading on the economy. all of this extraneous baggage has been discounted for him and will be discounted in the general because this is a message not a messenger election. and he epitomizes what is a contemporaneous message ironically, which is the era of big government is over. whatever else he did, newt is the guy connected to president clinton saying the era of big government is over. and that's what this election is going to be fought over. >> cornell, are the polls as deep as mary has seen them? >> well, you know, for one who i'm a pollster always be cautious about early polls because my guy was behind all the polls by 30 points going into the primaries. but there's a trend line. what we look for in polling is a trend line. clearly the problem for mitt
romney is that the trend line for him has been stuck in the 20s now for four or five months now. and you look at all those other voters, they're not -- mitt romney is not the second choice of any of the other candidates. so it's real problematic for him. the trend lines are moving his way. the other person i would say don't count him out, which goes to mary's point on the ground. ron paul. ron paul has an energy about his supporters and an energy about what's going on right now, when you look at places like iowa. he actually has some soldiers on the ground and they're energizes and they're young. you can't overlook that. i think it's wor a couple of points. >> does nancy pelosi's attack on gingrich or threat of releasing information, does that actually help him? >> yeah, to a degree. republicans like the rally around whoever is being attacked by the democrats. to a degree the republicans react more harshly and more defensively when nancy pelosi attacks than barack obama does. there's a visceral dislike of her in the republican party that i don't even think barack obama even has with a lot of republicans. that said, the attacks that will
matter against gingrich aren't going to be from pelosi. to cornell's point, they're going to be from ron paul and mitt romney. if mitt romney wants to win new hampshire he has to shut down gingrich and if ron paul wants to win iowa, he has to shut down gingrich. so the attacks are going to come fast and furious but they're going to come from the right, not from the democrats. >> mary, he's painting himself as a washington outsider. will that hold up to scrutiny? this is a guy who spent a lot of time and made an awful lot of money in washington. >> well, i'm going to go back to my basic framework, which is this is ultimately a message, not a messenger. as a messenger he proved he's lazarus, now he has to prove he's not icarus and flying too close to the sun. but picking up on what cornell said, who is -- we've all done this in iowa. it is really not organization. it is, as my old boss, george herbert walker bush said, it's big mo, whoever has the big mo going into the final days, that is momentum, it is iowa which will influence new hampshire. et cetera, et cetera.
about and he has the big mo right now. take it from me, this notion of organization, we had the best organization that got beat by pat robertson, who had the big mo. if he can sustain the mo and not be icarus, he'll be pretty good to south carolina. >> can i say one thing about new hampshire? if you look at how things are getting close in new hampshire, too, the other thing if you were ron paul or newt gingrich is, and mary knows this well, is set the expectations in new hampshire right now if you're newt gingrich, so high that romney can't meet those expectations. you should be saying right now that, you know what? this is your home state, this is your backyard. you have to win new hampshire by going away by ten or more points or it doesn't count at all. if he can't meet those expectations, he doesn't have the momentum. it really gets hard when he tears down to south carolina. >> it is amazing, this is what i love about presidential races, and must be what, mary, you love about working in them and working in the world of politics is you just cannot predict.
months ago who would have predicted newt gingrich when we were all reporting on all his staff defecting? >> well, those of us who have known newt for over two decades said, and i think i said it to you, anderson, you can never say never when it comes to newt. he did earn this comeback. he's the quintessential comeback kid. he scratched and clawed and won on merit. he was again going to the notion that this is a message not a messenger. and he's a fighter. so every time they put out the number of ron paul and romney and everybody putting out these things showing mitt in full battle, well, that's what they want. that's what they don't like about romney's last man standing strategy. they want a fighter who can take it to cornell's candidate because cornell is putting together a great campaign. obama will be tough, tough, tough. we need someone who can armor up. and newt can do that. that's what they like. >> mary matalin, fascinating, erick erickson and cornell belcher. thank you.
let us know what you think, we're on facebook, google plus. add us to your circles, follow me on twitter. @andersoncooper, i'm tweeting tonight. it is a botched operation that let guns be smuggled back and forth across the mexican border until a border agent was killed with some of those guns. that's a question being asked by republicans about an operation involving money not guns, money laundering from mexico. we'll have a sheriff on the lines and an agent. he spend years infiltrating drug cartels. a really fascinating discussion. trying to get answers to why a prestigious school relied on questionable medical evidence when it denied admission to an honors student with hiv. first, let's check with isha. anderson, new trouble for mega church pastor eddie long. he's taking a break from his church, and his wife wants to take a break from him. this after allegations that he sexually abused several young men in his congregation. that and more when "360" continues.
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another keeping them honest report. tonight we're trying to get answers from the milton hershey school in pennsylvania about who they actually consulted about advice before they denied admission to a 13-year-old honor student and athlete who is hiv positive. last week when i asked a spokeswoman what specific direct threat the boy poses to the school's other students, here's what she said. >> there are a number of issues, but the key issue for us comes down to sexual activity. >> the school is hanging its decision largely on the possibility that this 13-year-old boy might some day have sex with another student. in other words, a hypothetical. not only sex but unprotected sex. we reached out to the boy's lawyers and asked them for response. in the e-mail to us he said, and i quote, if anything the lawyers and the spokesperson for the school are a direct threat to me by insulting my intelligence as though i do not understand or know the consequences of having unprotected sex. who wants to have sex anyway at my age? that's not what i'm focussed on. what kind of boarding school are they running that the kids there are that sexually active with
all the staff members there 24 hours a day? also this fact, nothing hypothetical about it. this 13-year-old taking drugs to keep the virus in check. drugs that reduce the risk of sexual transmission by more than 95%, even if the sex is unprotected. about here's dr. kimberly manning of emory university medical center. >> this was a decision that was rooted in fear not because of public health concern because if this was truly for public health purposes, they would have sought the counsel of the appropriate medical professionals who would have then told them of the compelling data that is demonstrated those taking retroviral therapy if they do have sexual intercourse with someone hiv negative, the chances of getting hiv is minimal in those instances. >> who exactly did the school consult for medical advice on the matter? i asked about that as well. what medical evidence was your decision based on? >> we did a thorough review. we had the admissions committee and our seen your administration
along with our medical staff review -- review the case. >> you had a doctor or medical professionals consulting on this? >> yes. >> and they advised you that there was a risk of having an hiv positive child in the school? >> i wasn't in those discussions, anderson, but i can tell you that the decision at the end of the day was that in balancing the risks, we had to think about those other 2,000 students in our home. >> well, we spent all afternoon trying to contact the school's medical staff, we made several phone calls but each person we spoke to sent us to the communications director and we got a voice mail. we asked the spokeswoman for the names of the medical professionals the school claims to have consulted. she sent us a statement, but it didn't address which medical professionals they consulted in making their decision. in the meantime we reached out to another expert on hiv/aids, dr. nicholas hellmann. he told us that there's essentially no risk to the rest of the student population, which is why there's no reason to exclude this individual from school.
tonight the milton hershey school is standing by its decision. we finally heard back from the school which told us in a statement we understand that the risks presented by an hiv-positive individual who is on medication are low. taking all of these and other factors into consideration including the fact that we would be prohibited by law from forming the community of the young man's hiv status, we concluded that the risk was significant and rose to the level 0 a direct threat to the health and safety of others. our first obligation is to protect the students already in our care. if we knowingly admitted a student with hiv and that student ultimately had sexual relations with another student we believe we would have failed in meeting our obligation. a lawsuit filed against the milton hershey school claims that it violated the americans with disabilities act by turning this boy away simply because he's hiv positive. joining me is a disability rights attorney and children's advocate. thanks for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >> based on the part of medical professionals, the school won't release the names of the medical professionals.
does it strike you as odd? i mean if this lawsuit moves ahead, they're going to have to eventually disclose those medical advisers? >> absolutely anderson. they're going to have to release the names of the medical providers and tell us what facts are did they weigh because the americans with disabilities act makes it clear there has to be an individualized assessment. you can't just base your decision on gross generalizations or fear or hypotheticals. everything in this case is so very speculative. we've not heard one piece of evidence, one factual statement to suggest that this young man, this 13-year-old student poses any risk to those other students. so i'm at just a loss as to how the school was even justified the decision that they made. >> this is a great school. they help a lot of kids in need. but specifically on this, it's pretty shocking because they are saying that they're basing their argument on the risk of the student possibly engaging in sexual activity. how much weight would that kind
of hypothetical carry legally? >> very legal. the reality is, yes in general, all kids, all students all adults may have sex. but is there any evidence that this young man -- and what about all the other kids? are they going to start testing them for sexually transmittable diseases, for hiv? you're talking about the remote possibility that something might happen. even considering that even if he does have sex, we know he's on medication. the chances of him transmitting aids to another student is so very small, so insignificant, that i don't believe any court is going to prevent this young man from entering that school. i agree with you. this school has a stellar track record. it educates underserved students. it takes kids from low income communities, a lot of foster care kids. his track record is amazing. when you look at this decision, it just doesn't fit with what the school has done historically in terms of educating those who have been locked out of society. >> the school keeps coming back to the term direct threat.
they say it is not a violation of the americans with disabilities act because if it's a direct threat that can be an exemption. the justice department has said that people with hiv are rarely if ever a direct threat. >> absolutely. and not only that they're using this term "direct threat" broadly. they still haven't addressed what the americans with disabilities act requires them to address, the individualized circumstances. what is it about this young man? who are these doctors? what have they reviewed relevant to him? not the general population, not all students who may have sex, all individuals who have hiv, but the americans with disabilities act is very clear. it doesn't want schools, it doesn't want public institutions, discriminating against individuals based on broad generalizations. that's what we have here and that's what's so troubling about this decision. >> what seems to be important about this decision is say this school, then some private college can zad we don't want other hiv positive students
either or any kind of boarding school or any school, a college where kids are in residential facilities. >> absolutely, anderson. it opens the floodgates. we can see this rash of discrimination against students with hiv and any number of disables. we fought hard. the americans with disabilities act was just enacted in 1990. we're not talking about decades and decades of students being allowed to enter private schools. we're talking about a very recent law that has opened the doors. now this decision by this school closes that door. that's troubling. appreciate you being on. a dea agent reportedly smuggling drug money across the u.s./mexico border. the question tonight, is this another botched operation like the gun running operation fast and furious congress is investigating? we'll dig deeper with a sheriff who is critical of fast and furious and has a different opinion about this money laundering operation. and a former undercover agent who laundered money, he'll tell
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in a moment you're going to hear from a man who spent five years undercover in the company of killers infiltrating colombia's drug cartels. they didn't know he was working for the dea, not them. he did what he did by getting inside their money laundering operation. this week congressional republicans took aim at a similar program where reportedly agents helped launder and smuggle mexican drug money over
the u.s./mexico border. they say it's similar to the botched operation that did the same thing with guns that led to the death of border agent brian terry, which was operation fast and furious. >> it looks like it's the same sort of a program. in this case, not only let money but assist in money getting out of the u.s. and into mexico with the hope that they would be able to follow the money. so we have to ask the question of, how long are they going to continue with either failed strategy particularly when we understand that money is the lifeblood of the drug trade? with money they can corrupt the system in mexico. >> congressman darrell issa this morning on fox news. he's expanding his investigation to cover the money operation that's going to ask the attorney general eric holder about it when the committee reconvenes on thursday. joining us now is arizona sheriff paul babeu who has taken exception to the operation. and on the phone is robert mazur who doesn't want to show his face for his own safety. he's writ been his undercover life about "the infiltrator."
robert, you personally laundered money for pablo escobar's cartel as an undercover agent. you defend the practice. why does it work? >> i think that there's a lot of merit to these operations as long as they are professionally managed and organized. in the operation that i was involved in, over a period of two years, we laundered $34 million. which i know sounds like a lot of money to many people, but when you look at it with respect to the amount of cash that's generated in the united states every year from the sale of drugs, which is roughly about 65 billion, that would be 1/50th of 1%. in my view, equal to a snowflake in a blizzard. what did we get as a result of that? we managed an operation and stayed right on top of it making sure that what we got was not just the money, but what we got was evidence that was prosecutorable against individuals that we could actually arrest and we
arrested over 100 drug traffickers and money launderers including a number that reported directly to pablo escobar. we seized 3200 pounds of cocaine, 100 until cash and assets, 50 million in fines. but most importantly we got to identify an international bank, which was then the seventh largest privately held bank in the world, with offices in 72 countries. and we were able to indict about a third of the senior management of that bank, arrested them, imprisoned them, put the bank, the bank of credit and commerce international bbci, out of business around the globe and in return for laundering 1/50th of 1% of what's generated in the united states that has benefit to us and to those around the globe that fight this war every day. >> sheriff, we've heard a lot of outrage from this from congressman issa and mexican authorities. do you say it has value as well?
>> well, to agent mazur's point, it worked beautifully with escobar. and if we -- and his comment about if it's well managed. and that's the question that i know congressman issa is looking at is what kind of surveillance and oversight, did we have criminal informants or embedded agents that are within the cartels? and that's where the contrast where we do see it in law enforcement as an advantage that if we can get deep into the criminal syndicate in order to collapse the entire organization or key parts of it, that's the advantage. what didn't happen with fast and furious that we now know for truth is that there was no tracking. there was no surveillance. and now 2,000 weapons got into the hands of the most violent criminals in north america. and that no way could anybody ever conceive that that would end well, and it hasn't. 200, 300 people in mexico according to their attorney general have been murdered.
agent brian terry here in my state had been murdered. two of these weapons were used to murder him. so it's very different to look at guns, heavy armaments, versus, as the agent already pointed out, as a useful tool in law enforcement as long as it's managed properly and we do have the end state. >> the sheriff raises an interesting point because congressman issa, in a letter to the attorney general, eric holder, is comparing the alleged money laundering to the fast and furious program. these allegations if true raise further unsettling questions about a department of justice component engaging in a high risk strategy with scant evidence of success. the letter went on to say the existence of such a program calls into question your leadership. do you see the two program as analogous? >> no, i don't. and i agree with the sheriff. i know that i had the opportunity to deal -- climb through a portal into the underworld through this undercover operation and deal
directly with the likes of the principal consigliere to pablo escobar, an attorney in medellin. we wouldn't have known about him and what his activities were if it wasn't for this type of operation. i was able to meet face-to-face and record 1,200 recordings with senior bank officials, with high-level drug traffickers. and we were able to bring those people to justice. that's really the benefit of these undercover operations. >> new hearing on thursday. we'll see what comes out of it. robert mazur, thank you for your time and sheriff babeu. good to have you on. thank you. >> thank you. following more stories. isha is back with a "360" news business bulletin. >> dozens were of people were killed in two suicide bombings in afghanistan today. >> jesus! >> one attack was caught on camera. the bomber targeting worshipers gathered for a holy day service at a shiite shrine in kabul. 56 people were killed, 4 others died in an explosion on a business n. street in mazar-e sharif.
the head of the faa resigned three days after being charges with a dwip however, randy babbitt made no mention of the arrest in the statement announcing his departure. president obama traveled to the republican heartland of kansas to talk about the fragile u.s. economy and how to fix it. he called on congress to end the payroll -- to extend the payroll tax cut, i should say. he also shared his concerns about how the economy is hurting americans. >> this is a make or break moment for the middle class and all those fighting to get into the middle class because what's at stake is whether this will be a country where working people can earn enough to raise a family, build a modest savings, own a home, secure their retirement. >> while the president was on on the road, lady gaga paid a visit to the white house to talk about her crusade against bullying. she met with the white house office of public engagement about the issue. and you know the white house had a conference on anti-bullying
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"crime & punishment" tonight, the tragic death of a little girl in georgia and the search for her killer which is ongoing. jorelys' body was found in a dumpster outside the apartment building where she lived in canton, 40 miles north of atlanta. the 7-year-old was last seen alive friday at a playground at the apartment. she died of blunt force trauma to the head and she was stabbed and sexually assaulted. the fbi and police are looking into any known sex offenders who live nearby. but there's no strong suspect. and they need help from the public. i spoke with police detective mike brooks who was in canton today. mike, a child snatched up in broad daylight outside your home. do authorities have any idea who might have done this? >> well, anderson, they're not
saying right now, but they -- i think they've kind of narrowed their focus now. and i was told by law enforcement officials today that they are looking to add a number of people. now, i just spoke with vernon keenan who is the director of the georgia bureau of investigation just moments ago. he said they're not going to announce any arrests, but he didn't say that they weren't close. i think as a former investigator it is not a matter of if but a matter of when. >> there are several registered sex offenders who live in her apartment complex or live nearby. have they been ruled out as suspects? >> well, in fact, anderson, there's one who lives in the apartment directly above her. a registered sex offender here in the state of georgia. when i asked director keenan yesterday about him, if he'd been cleared, he says, i don't want to get into that. but they have not ruled anyone out as of right now. >> her body was found in a trash compactor. do we know of any clues that investigators glean from that? >> well, apparently they did get
some evidence, we saw evidence bags out on the scene yesterday where they recovered her body. they took the compactor over to a remote area where they were able to bring a back hoe in because there was that much garbage in the compactor. they were looking through every bag that was in that compactor. then they were back at the apartment complex again today. but that compactor, that is the key, i think, of where a lot of that evidence could be, anderson. because that compactor also only the maintenance people at that complex have a key to turn the lock on that to compact the trash in to there, and that's going to play a vital role, a key piece of evidence, if you will, in the timeline of when she was placed in that compactor the other day. >> and i know children services have taken the girl's two other siblings. do we know why they would have done that? >> well, they didn't say why, but, you know, they're not telling us exactly why.
but she went to court yesterday, and she did not get the children back. >> mike brooks, appreciate the reporting. thanks. >> thank you, anderson. such a disturbing case. let's dig deeper with casey jordan, criminologist, attorney, and contributor for our sister network trutv. the person who did this may have lived in the complex or had access to it? >> absolutely. the chances are extremely high that it's a neighbor, someone very familiar with the complex. they think that the crime took place in a vacant apartment also in the apartment complex. only somebody who lives there or who frequents there. if they don't live there, then they're definitely a guest or a visitor or a relative of somebody who lives there. they know the complex very well. they knew if they abducted this child, they could go to that abandoned apartment or vacant apartment to commit the crime. >> what do you make of the brutality of the attack, not just sexually assaulting her, the stabbing, the bludgeoning. >> very, very disturbing because it's overkill. for a defenseless, vulnerable 7-year-old child. you don't have to beat them to
death and then stab them as well. the stabbing is very sexual. it indicates an impulsivity, a level of anger. we called these child murderers who like to torture mysoped. >> mysoped? never heard of that. >> yeah, it's the most dispushing and sadistic of the child molesters, the ones who actually kill a child. >> what does that mean, mysoped? >> the killer would have gotten off on trying to destroy the child, trying to destroy their innocence during the process of sexually assaulting and killing the child, beating the child, then stabbing the child, this shows rage. it indicates to me that we typically see this in offenders who were also abused as children. >> is that something that somebody builds up to or would this person have a record already probably? >> this person -- about a 40% chance that they've been incarcerated before, and most likely that was a juvenile offense. i don't get the feeling that this offender has ever done this before.
the police are saying that the crime was very premeditated, even planned, but i'm not sure i agree with that. i see a great deal of impulsivity. i think the fantasy was there for a long time. the person has built up the fantasy in his head, yet the actual act probably just encountered the child maybe outside her apartment, in a stairwell, on the playground and the fantasy became a reality. the person is clearly not organized. disorganization, you know if you get rid of the body in the complex, in the dumpster, it's very likely to be found. and of course now that's why they're focusing on all the occupants doing interviews of everybody who libs in the complex. >> they'lls you it was rushed. >> a 7-year-old child, not to be morose, can fit in a duffel bag or suitcase. it is easy enough to get them out of the complex and take the body far away and dispose of it in a place that would never be found. instead the body was dumped within feet or yards of the apartment where the crime took place. >> so disturbing. >> extremely. >> casey, appreciate you being with us. >> great to be here.
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from grace. just a year ago eddie long's congregation rushed to his side where he vowed to fight the charges and win. instead he's settled out of court with his accusers and now his wife has filed for divorce. here's gary tuchman. >> reporter: megachurch bishop eddie long was one of the most influential, wealthy and powerful preachers. >> all the things that god has spoke to you. all of it. you got to declare it. i'm making the official announcement. god has not changed his mind about me. he has not changed his mind about you. declare it, declare it, affirm it, walk in it! >> reporter: a boisterous, confident sermon, even though it came just a few months after he'd been accused by several young men of coercing them into having homosexual sex. they said they had viewed long as a father figure and alleged he lavished them with gifts and trips before pressuring them into sex. strong allegations especially considering that eddie long was
such a strong critic of homosexuality. >> you cannot say i was born this way. i don't care what scientists say. if you say you were born this way, then you're saying god, you're a liar. you can be converted. you were not born that way. >> reporter: the bombast of bishop long who has packed tens thofr us in a church, has come to an end, at least for the time being. >> this is what he had to say this past sunday. >> i'm going to take a little time off to work with my family. >> reporter: eddie long said she's stepping away from the pulpit for now, after his wife filed for divorce last week. stating she was doing it after a great deal of deliberation and prayer. before vanessa long's decision, there had been plenty of drama in the public eye including this interview done by waga with one of her husband's accusers. >> i cannot get the sound of his voice out of my head. and i cannot forget the smell of
his cologne. and i cannot forget the way that he made me cry many nights when i drove in his cars on the way home. not able to take enough showers to wipe the smell of him off my body. >> reporter: at first long aggressively fought the allegations. using his pulpit and biblical references to cast doubt on his accusers. >> and i want you to know one other thing. i feel like david against goliath. but i got five rocks. and i haven't thrown one yet. >> reporter: but it doesn't appear he threw his five rocks. instead long, who allegedly sent these photos to one of the plaintiffs, agreed to a secret financial legal settlement with four men. while some congregants still support him -- >> i just want him to know that we're behind him. >> reporter: many others have left the church empire. >> you need to repent and to change his wicked ways and to make amends to those young men. >> reporter: attendance is way down at his new birth missionary
baptist church. and now with long's announcement, it doesn't bode well for his mega church or his marriage, but he told his congregants -- >> we're going to work it out. >> reporter: but for many his word isn't quite as good as it used to be. gary tuchman, cnn, atlanta. let's check in with isha. she's back with a 360 bulletin. >> court documents reveal what federal agents were looking for and what they found when they searched the home and office of former syracuse basketball coach bernie fine. investigators were told to search for pornography that could have been used, according to the document, to, quote, sexually arouse or groom young males to engage in sex acts. agents took cell phones, ipads, computers, cameras and more than 100 cds and dvds. fine denied any allegations and has not been charged with any crimes. officials today announce the money settlement allowed by law for victims of that stage collapse at the indiana state fair.
61 survivors and the families of the 7 killed will get a total of $5 million compensation. espn reporter erin andrews has filed $10 million lawsuit over being secretly filmed naked in a nashville hotel room three years ago. she's suing both the hotel and michael barrett who filmed her. it look like alec baldwin was kicked off a flight for playing a game on his phone while waiting for the plane to take off from l.a.x. he got reamed out by a flight attendant for playing words with friends at the gate. he also tweeted that he'll never fly on american airlines again. in the connection tonight, two companies are building safer motorcycle jackets. abc reports the companies are work on air bag suits that mo r motorcycle riders can wear with sense that detect inpampact. they're expected to cost between $1700 and $8,000. back to anderson.
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show contestants and the moms who motivate them is back. i got to say right off the bat i'm truly conflicted about this show. on the one hand seems like putting pancake makeup on a 2-year-old is somehow wrong, that it sends the wrong message. on the other hand, i can't stop peeking at this show from time to time. i've tried, i just can't do it. the new season starts tomorrow night. and tlc has a preview. let's take a look, shall we? >> my husband and i watch a lot of drag shows. fierceness, riley. fierceness, fierce. >> mom, don't help me. >> we take a lot of our inspiration from rupaul. he's our favorite queen. shake it. shake. basically the queens tell us, you know, be fierce and don't worry about what other people think because what other people think of you is none of your business. >> now, as far as pageant mom mantras go, that's actually not so bad, but is it just me or does the whole not worrying about what other people think philosophy just maybe conflict a tad with the whole forcing your child into a sparkly swimsuit to get judged by strangers think?
i'm not sure. but for a pageant mom, the work is never done. nope. do you think a 5-year-old's eyebrows are going to wax themselves? >> don't tear it. don't tear it! ah! >> it's all done. >> no, you teared it out. >> she had a bad experience with not jessica, but another lady, the wax was way too hot and it ripped off her skin. so she's been kind of terrified ever since then. >> don't let that stop you. i'll say it again, pageant moms, they are the real heroes. >> pray, pray. woo. go! >> oh, yeah, that was a 2-year-old in a cone bra in case you were wondering just how old she was. next on the hit parade, a 4-year-old like a prostitute. >> here comes "pretty woman." ♪ pacely.
i've actually met paisley. i'm just glad that pacely's mom went with the julie roberts "pretty woman" prostitute and not the aileen wuornos prostitute. pageant moms have to make decisions every day what kind of fake boobs to get your your 4-year-old. >> when she wears the fake boobs, it's an added bonus. >> no beauty segment would be complete without the most famous toddler wearing the tiara. her song "cutie pa-tootie" ♪ cutie patootie ♪ >> here's a video of eden singing her song on the daytime show "the talk" which somebody online slowed down just a little bit and put on youtube. why? i have no idea. but the results will haunt your dreams. ♪ cutie pa-tootie